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Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 01:29:00 - [1] Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 01:28:54 Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned. Removed off-topic, troll posts, flames and those posts that quoted posts that were subsequently removed. Please post respectfully towards one another. All posts that implicated our alts were cleaned.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 01:35:00 - [2] Did CCP really think that we wouldn't notice them jacking around with the market price history?
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 01:42:00 - [3] Hey devs and their BoB alts reading this thread - Why did you alter the price history for ferrogel???? Inquiring minds on the officially permitted thread want to know!
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 01:48:00 - [4] I wonder if that massive lag spike and surge of disconnects had anything to do with the database purge of ferrogel price history info? The plot thickens.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 01:56:00 - [5] Originally by: GuntiNDDS Edited by: GuntiNDDS on 11/12/2008 01:51:59 not only the domain market is missing numbers: Ferrogel market in sinq laison Yeah, they claim to be out of the office and unable to comment on the issue, but they have plenty of time to tamper with price histories. Also, lots of manpower availiable to lock all the threads in general except the one where all the fanboys and BoB pets come out to suck up. Badly done, chaps.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 02:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Lady Oracle Placid is missing numbers on Ferrogel also In Domain, numbers aren't merely missing, they've been altered to make it appear that the ferrogel panic never took place. Evidence of lots of people's profits have been neatly taken off the books, no muss no fuss. It now reports that there was 512,002 volume with a maximum price of 27,000. The lowest sell order in the region right now is above that.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 02:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Kulmid Edited by: Kulmid on 11/12/2008 02:16:48 Originally by: Ima Alt Originally by: Lady Oracle Placid is missing numbers on Ferrogel also In Domain, numbers aren't merely missing, they've been altered to make it appear that the ferrogel panic never took place. Evidence of lots of people's profits have been neatly taken off the books, no muss no fuss. It now reports that there was 512,002 volume with a maximum price of 27,000. The lowest sell order in the region right now is above that. I'm assuming that's because this has just taken place, market data will update to reflect this at downtime. Unless I'm missing something. Well, the fact that these prices were correctly reporting before, are altered rather than just blanked, and only affect advanced moon minerals that were a part of today's panic seems to rule out a glitch. Well it does unless you are a total coincidence theorist. Fact is, you had an exploit that benefited certain parties greatly followed up by an alteration of historical data that again benefited the same parties. The guys who were doing these exploits weren't throwing up POSes with their mains - they used alts. Those alts are now banned, but the fruits of their exploitation could well be in the hands of the mains, who AGAIN, benefited from today's market panic. With the change to market histories, it was like all the crazy buying and selling today never took place. Some real life money was made in Eve, today, and CCP seems to be covering somebody's tracks.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 02:29:00 - [8] Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 02:29:58 Originally by: Fifinella And are they tampering with the price histories _now_, or did they do it during business hours? You obviously know. I don't. It happened about an hour and a half ago. Many people were watching the markets due to the advanced moon mineral panic that now apparently didn't happen.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 02:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 02:38:40
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 02:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Elisa Day It's also all minerals, PLEX and some T2 modules, just from checking my market quick bar. Wrong.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 02:43:00 - [11] Fermionic Condensates have also had price histories altered to make it appear that a price spike never occurred.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 02:48:00 - [12] I had heard stories about organized crime being involved in virtual property sales, but until today, I didn't pay them much heed..
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 02:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Kulmid Does it not take until downtime for market data to update? If this price spike happened in the last 5-6 hours, which it most likely would have because of this thread. Then it would not be updated yet. After DT, if they price spike still does not show, then I will agree it has been covered up. It was showing, and now it is showing different - and only for certain advanced moon minerals. I sure wish that people who didn't know how to read the market history would stop replying to this thread.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 02:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Tai Paktu Hey, lookit all the tickerless alts fearmongering and rabblerousing in this thread. It's pretty awesome. Hey look at all the proud fanboys posting in hopes that one day they'll be let in on a dev exploit.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 03:07:00 - [15] Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 03:09:02 Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 11/12/2008 03:04:04 Quote: Why is CCP tampering with the market history prices? (Sorry, I don't spend all day playing market games, so please enlighten me). Originally by: Kylar Renpurs While I may be missing the topic, if CCP really has any form of effective transactional rollback capability for their databases, the missing market history could be very easily explained by rolling back the market transactions by offending parties sales (removing the ISK they gained), without affecting the people who actually bought the ferrogel (which is a separate transaction). If this is the case, then the missing market history just shows how deep this rabbit hole of an exploit runs. quoting myself but hey. I didn't reply because I didn't want to embarrass you, but obviously most of the players in this afternoon's market mania don't even own POSes, much less participated in the use of exploits. There were no rollbacks, everyone got to keep their profits. The ones holding ferrogel when the history got "adjusted" were left holding the bag and got screwed. They are now in a downward bidding war with each other. Will ferrogel prices rise again? Bet on it. However, at the top of this afternoon's bubble, some BIG sales came down the pipe, and record of those sales mysteriously vanished soon after.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 03:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Kauschovar I sincerely hope that ALL those involved will get permabanned together with their alts and all their (in-game) possessions annihilated ... even if it does change the EVE political landscape which I think it will as it should. Considering it takes minimal skills to set up a POS, the big alliance people who profited from this exploit almost certainly used alts. Rest assured, those throwaway characters 100% funded by GTCs were banned ruthlessly.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 03:13:00 - [17] Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 03:13:02 Originally by: Kylar Renpurs You don't understand database transactions hey? You don't understand market dynamics hey?
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 03:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Elisa Day http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3434/omgmarketh4xrh0.jpg It's the great Enriched Uranium and Liquid Ozone coverup of 08! What region is that?
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 03:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Elisa Day Originally by: Ima Alt Originally by: Elisa Day http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3434/omgmarketh4xrh0.jpg It's the great Enriched Uranium and Liquid Ozone coverup of 08! What region is that? The Forge. That's weird that the goods affected are different depending on the region. Hmm, mysteries abound! I stand corrected. In Domain, minerals are zeroed out, but advanced moon minerals had the "maximum" prices changed to eliminate the spike in the history. Also, PLEXes and every tech2 ship and module that I checked were not changed at all.
Ima Alt	Posted - 2008.12.11 03:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Kulmid I think they'd be able to track things a little bit better than that. Legions of ice mining macroalts and real money traders disagree with you. I think it isn't a matter of CCP not being able to link alt accounts with main accounts, more a matter of them not bothering with it when 99% of the Eve population is satisfied with symbolic alt bannings. Sure, the exploiters/RMTers/macroers could use proxies and contracts to evade character linking, but really, if CCP even put up a moderate anti-alt abuse effort, it wouldn't be so widespread in the first place.

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